Vielleicht sollte man auch eingestehen, dass das "Wesen der MM Idee" hier ein anderes ist als in Holland. Ich hätte nicht mehr Spaß an der Sache, wenn wir hier Tausende registrierte MM-Segler hätten, nur mehr Arbeit mit der Liste   Mir würden 2-3 neue Segler hier aus Braunschweig viel mehr Freude bereiten als 2-stellige Zuwachsraten in der Seglerliste oder ein Wettstreit mit den Holländern, wer denn jetzt mehr Segler aufweisen kann.

Der Motor der MM-Idee war und ist doch immer der persönliche Spaß an der Sache und da muss schon jeder für sich ausmachen, wieviel er bereit ist, in den Spaß zu investieren.

Gruß Yeti

Nochmal kurz zu den Regeln: ich wäre nie auf die Idee gekommen, mir eine MM zuzulegen, wenn ich nicht diese teilweise recht ironisch geschriebenen Tuning-Anleitungen gelesen hätte (so Sachen wie: 1g Gewichtserparnis    )

Hi Steven,

sorry, don't mix the item of this thread whith discussion about rules etc for better class growing.

It is not a matter of rules-versions but simply a matter of some active, working people and a active MM-scene we are looking for and want to have in future.

It is not doubted that when making a active and attractive MM-demonstrations at watersport exhibitions it may attract full size skippers. But: So far we have no skippers who spent their time, money and effort to make that work just for the purpose of a possible class growing. Sorry, me included, as I can and will simply not spent that amount of sparetime, work and my money to collect some of our skippers and organise MM-demonstartions in Düsseldorf or Hamburg or at least also at Friedrichshafen up to now.

Congratulations to you for doing so in Holland - but to do so is your own thing and based to your own idealistic or whatever interests. Also you now have to handle the results of your big and very quick growing in a manner that satiesfied all the new people to hold on playing with MMs. I would have had not the capaticity to handle that and perhaps such a growing would develop into chaos in our up to now very friendly and mostly satiesfied small but steady growing scene, coming up with all kinds of discussions about how to go on, how to organize, who has to do it, how to manage it, perhaps form a registered organisation etc. pp. - all what is not intended by our original MM-Idea and will not satisfy our people here.

But well, if anybody here is interested in going that way he is free to do it on his own.

Regards
Thomas

P.S. If, you should say that the growing in NED already had started before you suddenly changed your boat-rules to match the interests of your new people better. But that it off topic here - and I really be not interested in that anymore!

@Tiga,

Die MM-idee is nicht anders in Holland. Es ist viellecht etwas minder geschlossen, minder ein Scene.
Viele MM-segler macht es nur viel einfacher zusammen zu kommen, macht es einfacher eine schöne wettfahrt zu machen.
The biggest difference between the MM and other RC boats is that there are so many and they are so easy to transport. Because there are so many there is allways for you the possibility to have some boats around to race with or to just sail around as also a lot of groups are doing here in Holland.

Don't get frightened of growth. It is the basis for more fun.

                                                           ...and a lot of problems.....

@ Thomas,

good that you and Eric of the old MM-scene are positive toward promotion of the MM to the 1:1 sailing world. If you are not interested in assisting hem: well just write to info@micromagic.nl. Our sponsor might be very interested to make some more demonstration-boats for the German market because 75% of his costumers are coming from your country.

I am also asking myself why you 2 telling me I am oftopic, when to my opinion it is you who are. I am not mixing things: you are trying to protect your own idea from reality.

Don't worry about my motives: they are fun and especially sailing fun. Micromagic.nl is just the basis for that for other people with MM's. it simply  gives me a thrill to see new MM-groups or new MM-websites emerging or to see the enhousiasm in other people's eyes when they first sail an MM or when sombody without any sailing experience ends 5th in a strong competition field (Erik de Vries 10 okt. in Vinkeveen)

A big difference beteen you and me might be that I am not managing things or discussions, I like to set things in motion.

What we have in common is that we like competition. I do have that now here in Holland. The sad thing is that I am not the fastest MM-sailor anymore in Holland. The good thing is that I can race almost every week with good competition. How about you?

But to be honest: the last thing is offtopic (but still I need less words than you!

But not at any price...

Die MM-Szene ist in GER sicherlich langsamer gewachsen als in NED, dafür meiner Meinung nach aber stabiler. Vielleicht vergibt man Chancen, wenn man es so laufen lässt wie bisher, aber man vermeidet auch das Risiko, dass sich die Szene in eine Richtung entwickelt, die mit der ursprünglichen Idee nur noch wenig zu tun hat.

Natürlich gibt es auch hier Diskussionen zwischen der "Tüftler-" und der "Seglerfraktion", aber beide kommen doch friedlich miteinander klar. Ich bin jedenfalls froh darüber, dass sich die Diskussionen über Regeln, Beschränkungen, Einheitsklasse, etc. in Grenzen halten. Sollte man das aufs Spiel setzen, nur um höhere Zuwachsraten aufweisen zu können? Ohne mich...

Gruß Yeti

Ich will keine Vereine, Sponsoren, Obmänner, Kassenwarte und ähnliches.

Und nu gehe ich meine Optimist grundieren.

@ Eric:
That is just not true! Dass ist nur dein Angst! Die einzige Probleme die wir hier gehabt haben war mit Angstige leute wie Du, Thijs und Thomas. Rede jetzt mit Thijs und frage ihm wie Extrem und Problematisch alles jetzt geht. Er hat Endlich genug MM's in Groningen und Friesland so dass er jede woche Segeln kann.

And do I have problems? A lot of work yes, but also a growing number of people embarking to help. About one thing Thomas is correct: 1:1 sailors have the MM as a toy and don't take it so seroius. And that is how it is supposed to stay: If they get to serious: they'd better go to the K-klasse (http://www.k-klasse.nl) the biggest R/C class in Holland till we came.

                                                           sage ich doch