Tuxi - the problem is not with me or many experienced sailors it is with people who don't have the skill's or time to produce a bulb.

My reference to non -eu was not for the UK but for AUS, NZL, USA, CAN, RSA etc who all have growing fleets and struggle enough just getting Graupner kits.

Eric I came here with the best of intentions and all you can do is to make snide comments.
I hoped that after all this time we could start a dialogue again but obviously this is not going to happen.
If every time I say something you will try to ridicule me then it is pointless me trying to say anything.

I had intended to attend one of your open events next year and take Henning up on his offer of borrowing a keel.
I also knew of a couple of others who could also be interested plus a couple of my German friends from full size sailing who have recently acquired MM's but have never been to one of your events.
However to be honest if this is the way I shall be treated I will only sail full size boats on my regular trips to your country.

For the record the .info site is going to be moved and restructured and will probably not have a public forum in future.

Hi,

from my point of view Mike is trying to do a peace offering and I think it may a good chance to get the international MM rules a step forward for opening for new technical enhancements.

I've read some posts about this discussion but please tell me if I'm wrong.

And what about the sails? Is everybody in GBR doing this on his own?

And please tell Your M-boat sailors, that the analogy to their keels is not valid. For using a 600g bulb on a MM You won't need a 200,- EUR carbon-fibre keelfin. You can still use the original Graupner-parts (12,- EUR), that is also used to have keels with different placed bulbs.

I'm not surprised that changing something in Your class is not so easy. Steven and You told people from the beginning that our German rules are evil and unfair and that only Your way of thinking is right. Therefore You deleted every different opinion on Your "forum". The russian MM-group has been totally ignored, because they did not follow Your way. In fact, THIS is what really gives a bad impression of Your class.

I don't know why an easy and friendly question in this forum is sometimes turning into chaos and embarrasment (@ thomas: you got a point about the grammar now ).

some more comments:

@ mike
all your points about heavy keel are right. the accessibility of the bomb is important for different countries. something i could imagine is to have some structures to be send all over the world. we produce 20 times the same form and we ship it to different countries. that way every country would be able to produce the keels on their own. anyway, we're not at this point by far...
about showing up at german events. i'll still provide the necessary set of keels. of course you're freightened about the one or the other guy here but we're not all like that. as in every forum there are some people with a fix idea. his fix idea is to remind you every time and every day you deleted some posts in a forum. this case is already at the some level with murder or rape. as we don't have a death penalty here it's a livelong jail sentense (once again a word for the new library... incorrect isn't it?). i can just ask you not to take a decision based on this small fight. if i would think the same way i could not go to some countries anymore as well. i want to sail with some friends and therefore i ignore some fights, rumors and noise. that's going to change things as well.
BTW: SWE is a bit far for me. at least we're going to meet at your nationals for sure. best regards to cath by the way. tell her i'm still deaf on my right ear...

@ max
there's not a big change to be expected. the carbon and transparent versions are just available in the netherlands and even there as a limited edition. this is not going to have an impact on the fleet sizes. the size of the sail numbers is not going to change. for national events you know which boat is  belonging to which sailor and for international events (where it makes sense the most) there's only a limited group to be qualified. this limited group is already using some sails and if they are not obliged to change the sail numbers... about the keel: if they change it or not it doesn't matter. at least nobody i know is using a keel like that. for me it makes no sense to have a keel like that. that's in my eyes kind of a discussion like "no human should be taller than 3 m". there's nobody applying to this rule by now, there has been nobody until now and in the future...
of course this is a quite pessimistic point of view. anyway there'll be an internal discussion in the MMI and i think that's already worth it.

@ Yeti
I don't know whether or not it's recommended to be rude from our side. he's a guest in our forum and maybe we should rethink our behaviour.

@ Eric
I'm sure it's not recommended to behave this way. your comments are neither fair nor fine.

We've been treated like enemies in his forum, so I think, You should not expect me to be very friendly with him.

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but that's not what it is about in this thread here...

Of course, it is. It's about heavy keels, and it's about the opinion, that people won't accept it. So, it's also about the fact that Steven and Mike formerly deleted information and discussions about it. How can people make their own opinion, when even thinking about it is prohibited?

I can understand your opinion. But let me tell you, i' am not an experienced sailer and i have no special skills in bulbbuilding .

When i began to build my first RG 65, the bulb seamed to be one of the most difficult parts. When i finished this one, i was surprised how simple it was ...

In fact i have a lot more problems in building a rig.

The time is an argument, but if you have a ready made model to copy from, you can make the bulb quite quick. (About an hour for the form of gypsum. Then wait a few days and then another hour to make the bulbs. I got at least 4 bulbs from a simple form.)

The costs of the complete keelfin (made of 1mm plywood) with the bulb were less then 5 Euros.

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In the  past it was:
"Britania rules the waves"

In the International Forum it is :

"Britania waives the rules "